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Hi everyone, this weekend we are planning a major migration to new server software. On Saturday January 14 and Sunday January 15 the jabber.org service might be unavailable for extended periods of time. You can view the live server status at https://status.jabber.org/ and we might also post to https://twitter.com/jabberdotorg and https://floss.social/@jabberdotorg
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The #Matrix main organizations ( Vector Ltd / Element / Matrix Foundation ) are experiencing some financial issues and have laid off some employees. The blog post is at https://matrix.org/blog/2022/12/25/the-matrix-holiday-update-2022/ [matrix org]
They note that they provide everything under permissive licenses and then wonder why giant corporations adopt their technology without giving anything back.
Well, that is something that MongoDB and some other no-SQL databases have had to deal with. Their userbase insists on permissive licenses, then the largest and most profitable users refuse to support the organizations that pay the developers. In many cases, the result is some custom non-free license (generally masquerading as “open source” but neither free software nor open source software) meant to extract money out of users who make money using the product.
Personally, I’d rather see #GPLv3 / #AGPLv3 without a “buy a commercial license to avoid responsibilities” plan going into widespread use, but that’s sure to greatly reduce revenues. It probably means paid support is the main funding model.
But anyway, I think that Matrix has done really well for something that is inherently inferior to #XMPP, but has a pretty face and good marketing team.
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@aab Thank you. That explains why Adcock hadn't been in contact ... well, partly. He also has my #XMPP and #Matrix handles.
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@adcock@gnusocial.cc Hey, I haven't seen or heard from you in a while. Are you okay? I also sent you an #XMPP message.
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@lxo I have an #XMPP account, but most of my contacts either don't have accounts or don't log in very often, so it does not get used as often as I would like.
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https://fosstodon.org/@prosodyim/107962888582993499 #OpenSSL flaw could allow attackers to spin up the CPU. Affects #ProsodyIM #XMPP server and any other server that uses OpenSSL.
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https://mastodon.technology/@happybeing/107542694505497296 [mastodon technology]
What do you hope for from your favorite decentralized network in 2022?
He asks in the context of #safenetwork (the product that #maidsafe has been working on for years), but it is a good question to ask about #GNUsocial, #Mastodon, #Pleroma, #Friendica, #Hubzilla, #Zap, #Diaspora, #Matrix, #XMPP, and more.
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@aab Good to see that @gijs is getting connected. I used to add people I had seen in the #IRC channel (and the connected #XMPP MUC) as contacts, to help extend the network. I should probably get back to that.
(It helps if I spell people's usernames correctly.)
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@aab Good to see that @gis@post.hillenius.net is getting connected. I used to add people I had seen in the #IRC channel (and the connected #XMPP MUC) as contacts, to help extend the network. I should probably get back to that.
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A #VPN provider that I used shut down without much notice (in fact, the only way I found out was that I visited their site months later, trying to figure out why I hadn't been able to connect).
The #hotel I was using had a local provider that blocked #Fediverse instances (including Mastodon.Social), #Diaspora, #XMPP, #IRC, and a certain mail provider that I still use. They did not block: #Facebook, #Twitter, #GMail, or Outlook / #Hotmail
Because I couldn't connect to the VPN, I discovered how many perfectly normal sites were blocked because they weren't on the top 100 list. I went downstairs and informed the front desk that I would be leaving their establishment because of their blocking.
I received a phone call from their networking vendor, who logged into their router and proxy and turned off filtering on a list of about 25 sites they'd blocked.
But the point is, the hotel and its provider cannot be trusted not to fsck with your data. Always use a VPN.
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This report makes it clear that it is now time for all projects to move off #Freenode #IRC. https://www.devever.net/~hl/freenode_abuse
You can move to #LiberaChat, to #OFTC, to #Rizon, etc. Or use #Matrix or an #XMPP MUC instead of IRC. Just don't "wait and see" and be surprised when your channel is targeted.
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Revisiting !fnetworks expansion plans.
Thinking that there might be a reason to add #Funkwhale to the list ... with some restrictions (requires #Federati Networks account, original content only, moderated; possible fundraising may be needed as file storage requirements expand)
Also, already planning to add #XMPP, #Movim, #Mattermost chats, but considering trying out a #Matrix instance (preferably something other than Synapse) to see how well bridging to XMPP MUCs works. I'm sure the Matrix team has never considered a setup where only rooms bridged from $PROTOCOL and possibly also $INSTANCE can be created locally.
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@adcock Now that I think about it, a year or two back, I got a bunch of connection / subscription requests from random #XMPP accounts. There was a specific server where more of it came, but I think they just looked for open registration and no active moderation.
https://github.com/JabberSPAM/blacklist/blob/master/blacklist.txt
They'd soon afterward attempt to send me advertising. I quickly learned to deny unexpected requests and block the originating account.
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@geniusmusing Yeah. :-(
I think the #blockwars folks may have indirectly caused this. There are people who file complaints against client apps that don’t build in blocklists against specific servers whose moderation policies they dislike.
I think that #Matrix / #Element competes with one or more Google-owned chat-type services. Since they gatekeep the overwhelming majority of Android users’ software installation, a good antitrust lawyer would be helpful. I’ll bet that faxing a bunch of documents to #USDOJ and various states would suddenly cause Google to decide that Element doesn’t violate their policies anyway.
(Someone said it was “Boomers at Google that don’t understand federation”, but first of all, I’m certain that most GOOG employees are far younger than you and I, and secondly, I’m sure someone at Google understands federation, though they obviously dislike not being in control. Google Talk was federated with #XMPP, while Google Plus was basically #Diaspora with federation stripped out.)
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Okay look. *I* don't use #Signal ( and same for #Telegram ), because I don't want to give my telephone number to anyone except family and close friends. I have enough personal contacts that do use them so that they'd be personally useful if I didn't have that unbreakable obstacle.
But I don't object to others choosing such end-to-end encrypted messengers over messaging apps such as (for example) #Facebook_Messenger.
I personally use #Wire, #XMPP, #Matrix, and #WickrMe. (I tried #Jami, but it wasn't very usable yet; none of my contacts were willing to try #Tox or #Briar.) I've even considered getting a Google account again so I can use whatever their latest incarnation of messaging is (just because almost everyone I know has a Google account).
It does bother me that Signal and Telegram and most other messaging services are centralized and non-federated.
It seems we haven't learned from the 1990s & early 2000s when some friends had AOL Instant Messenger (AIM), some had MSN Messenger, some had Yahoo Messenger, some had ICQ, and a few had various other walled garden messengers (such as Excite's messenger). If I wanted to talk with all my friends, I needed to have accounts on every possible service. I should be able to communicate with my friends from whatever service I choose to use to whatever services they choose to use and not have to create accounts on every possible service.
But that's a matter of educating our friends and family, not of dogmatically refusing to communicate with them on any service they might use.
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https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0383.html
This XEP sounds like it would be useful for joining large MUCs (chatrooms), where an unknown participant may be harvesting JIDs for later targeting by SPIM.
Marked "Deferred", which sounds like it wasn't implemented widely enough in the #XMPP universe to generate experience & data to confirm its usefulness / desirability.
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Seems strange to me, but #Xabber does not implement https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0191.html
I'm looking through some XEPs, looking for one that specifies that all requests sent from non-roster JIDs can be rejected.
(Yes, I use Xabber, not #Conversations, as my #XMPP client on #Android. Every time I try to use Conversations, I have a very strong reaction and end up deleting it. I think the most recent time is permanent. I just can't stand it.)
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Finally removed #Monal (an #XMPP client) from my #iPad. It never worked right (which I put down to Apple restrictions on background apps), but after an update, I could not even find my ‘roster’ of contacts. I understand it is an awful platform, but you don’t have to make things worse.
I may try #SiskinIM (which I believe is made by the #Tigase folks) next. I do understand that Apple’s background app restrictions will also make that one stink, but hopefully they won’t make any ruinous choices of their own.
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@clacke I second that. But from what I understand, the #Matrix founders had been involved in #SIP (which had a rivalry versus #XMPP thanks to its "SIMPLE" messaging protocol ... only recently has the SIP organization decided to work on interop with the XSF).
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https://libranet.de/display/0b6b25a8-135e-9045-0ea4-47e261088927 http://www.vassalengine.org/ Game board and card game engine ... runs over #XMPP.
/via @clacke
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