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Search engines with their own indexes: https://seirdy.one/2021/03/10/search-engines-with-own-indexes.html
#YaCy: slow, with mostly irrelevant results
Very true, but the second part, mostly irrelevant results is a matter of degree. #Google's results were once fantastic, but these days, a big chunk of the first five pages of a search are irrelevant results, often SEO'd into high positions and knocking relevant results lower.
#Bing (and #Yahoo, #DDG, and others who use Bing's results) are also described with increasing accuracy by "mostly irrelevant results".
But yes, YaCy's results are even worse. I want to set up another YaCy instance, just to crawl sites of interest in various topics. I know there's a major software change needed to get the most improvement in search results, but having the right information in the global index is a necessary precursor to producing good results.
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I do disagree with this, in that #Bing's search results aren't just bad because they can only crawl 90% of the sites that #Google can. Bing's results are bad because their ranking algorithms fail to put the information people are searching for at the top of the results. If one clicks through 9 or 10 pages of results, one might find something relevant, which was probably why #Yahoo and #DDG used to deliver better results than Bing, while sourcing most or all of their results from Bing.
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One thing that #DDG is still good at: When someone sends an Emoji such as "😅", I throw it into Duck Duck Go to find out what it is / says / means.
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Switched my default search from DuckDuckGo ( #DDG ) to #Qwant, and now to #Brave_Search.
Qwant seemed okay, except that if I didn't have JavaScript turned on, it would produce a results page, then quickly forward to lite.qwant.com without my search terms. At least when DDG forwards, html.duckduckgo.com/html/ still gets my search terms.
Brave search doesn't even need to forward to a no-JS site (but it does have a giant page header before any results show, at least without a NoScript exemption).
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@musicman They don't seem to be running Duckbot anymore, just grabbing results straight from #Bing. And Bing's results were almost as bad as Ask's, last time I checked.
So, yeah, I don't know how #DDG (and to some extent #Yahoo) were able to do it before, but their results were far better than Bing's despite mostly coming from Bing. Now, they're pretty similar ... and overall bad.
I still go to #DuckDuckGo first, but more and more, I find myself going to #Startpage or directly to #Google after a failed DDG search.
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https://honeypot.net/post/bing-is-censoring-tank-man-search-results/
https://nu.federati.net/url/281415
https://nu.federati.net/url/281416
#Microsoft #Bing censors Tienanmen Square "Tank Man" search results, even outside of PRC (where they are required to censor such results). Naturally, since most of #DuckDuckGo's results come from Bing, #DDG searches are also censored.
This is a good reason for DDG to switch from being Bing results with a little additional from Yandex and Baidu results to either fully independent or at least being more of a metasearch engine.
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Of course,it has other consequences, and honestly, if my phone was stolen, I'd want it to get a secure wipe. Search for "Brother Orange" in #DDG or #Google, and you'll see why.
#Android isn't the only one with such a misfeature. In organizations with #Apple #iOS devices, re-use after an employee leaves can be painful. Sometimes, after days or weeks of delay, Apple will inlock the devices for re-use, but sometimes, the org must buy a new phone.
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Speaking of #blockchains and #cryptocurrencies, someone told me about "Eth 2" recently, so I threw that into #DDG and came up with this: https://nu.federati.net/url/278691 [www cnbc com]
#ETH #Etherium
Disclaimer: I own zero cryptocurrencies and have never used a blockchain for anything.
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> ... try Bing, I've heard it ... works alright.
No idea about their filters, but I consider #Bing a failure at search. Their results are barely better than #Ask.com these days. Both #Yahoo and #DDG use their backend, but somehow have better results (but both are in steep decline).
I do admit that it may vary based on the topics one searches for, but I've been trying out #Google alternatives for years, but no matter which I use, I eventually have to use Google (even if indirectly, such as via #StartPage or #Searx).
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@musicman RE: their rival #ApacheSSL, all #DDG found was a Sourceforge project for the Win32 version. Even that hasn’t seen an updated release in a decade ( last code change was 2015 ).
I do see that ApacheSSL ( like #mod_ssl ) releases a version for each #Apache version. https://sourceforge.net/projects/apachessl/files/
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@noyoushutthefuckupdad Yes, so far no one has found evidence that #DDG is either selling your data or being purchased by a company that does.
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Deleting my bookmark for https://sarchy.tech/ ... it was using #YaCy (where peers crawl and index), but now it uses #Searx (which depends on the goodwill of corpocentric search providers).
Admittedly, Searx is likely to give better results, but why use them when #DDG and #Startpage do the same things, only better?
(And yes, DuckDuckGo's results have gotten much worse lately. Still not as bad as using #Bing directly, but I'm leaning more to Startpage these days.)
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@blort @johnnynull I noticed years ago that #DDG’s results differ from #Yahoo’s, which differ from #Bing’s. Non-bubbling may be part of it, but it doesn’t explain the sharply different results (or at least sort order of the results) between the Bing and Yahoo.
It doesn’t surprise me that #Startpage’s results differ from #Google’s, even beyond the filter bubble.
As for which to use, I use a variety, including Startpage, but the main one is determined mainly by quality of results, and Startpage’s results are generally inferior to #DuckDuckGo and to #Searx & #Seeks (but far superior to #YaCy or the abysmal results that #Ask gives).
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@geniusmusing #DDG is my primary search engine. #YaCy is my secondary. I still end up switching to #StartPage / #Google / #Seeks for 2 or 3 out of 10 searches because search results aren’t satisfactory.
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@assmilk It really did go right past me. Until #DDG and #IMDB just informed me about it, I never even knew this movie existed. https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0266308/
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@xj9 #Searx still depends on #corpocentric search engines for its results. It therefore depends on their good will. In this way, it is similar to #Startpage / #Ixquick and #DDG.
I'd love to see a P2P search like #Yacy, but with good results.
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Ducked it! "The Matrix" was released in #1999. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0133093/ #ddg #imdb
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Ugh. Now even #DDG has links from #Experts-Exchange when you search certain tech questions. It used to be only if you searched on #Google.
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Under #TIL: https://portswigger.net/burp/ Thanks to @gamehawk (and @alpacaherder for repeating and #DDG for finding what "Portswigger Burp" is).