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Danyl Strype (strypey)'s status on Sunday, 08-Oct-2017 09:38:28 UTC Danyl Strype @pnathan see also the #TEDTalk by #TristanHarris, formerly of the GoogleBeast
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Bob Mottram (bob)'s status on Sunday, 08-Oct-2017 10:33:51 UTC Bob Mottram @strypey @pnathan I think he makes a good point, and it's one which the companies driven by shareholder profit won't be able to do much about without reducing their profits. But the kind of thing he describes could be an opportunity for the fediverse and other systems which aren't simply profit driven. -
Danyl Strype (strypey)'s status on Monday, 09-Oct-2017 02:03:16 UTC Danyl Strype @pnathan @natecull @cjd when the #birdsite goes down, it *all* goes down. Very few conditions could bring the entire #fediverse down Bob Mottram repeated this. -
Nate Cull (natecull)'s status on Monday, 09-Oct-2017 06:51:27 UTC Nate Cull @pnathan @strypey I also think the architectural ideas of Christopher 'A Pattern Language' Alexander are sensible. And the economic ideas of Michael Albert.
I think the best social organisation - and one we see in biological systems - is not massive hub-and-spokes centralisation, but recursive federations which themselves federate.
Centralise the things which *make sense* to centralise. Which should only be *what smaller units can't handle themselves*.
This seems a universal pattern to me.
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Nate Cull (natecull)'s status on Monday, 09-Oct-2017 06:54:50 UTC Nate Cull Ie, I agree with the critique that the economic Right has long made against the Left (styled as the USSR) - that ground-up democratic decentralisation is generally better than top-down centralisation.
Where I differ with the Right is that I believe the market, left to itself, tends to over-centralise in a few winners. So a democratic state can act as a counterbalance to the otherwise unchecked centralising power of commerce.
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Danyl Strype (strypey)'s status on Monday, 09-Oct-2017 07:07:16 UTC Danyl Strype @pnathan @natecull they learned that while increasing community self-sufficiency has merit, larger scale (inter-dependence) does too Bob Mottram repeated this. -
Danyl Strype (strypey)'s status on Monday, 09-Oct-2017 07:09:21 UTC Danyl Strype @pnathan @natecull these things can be done more independently too, but there's a point where atomization becomes more brittle, not less Bob Mottram repeated this. -
Bob Mottram (bob)'s status on Monday, 09-Oct-2017 07:22:28 UTC Bob Mottram @strypey @natecull @pnathan this is what I've sometimes rather badly tried to explain. Building individual autonomy is useful, but at some threat level individualism becomes an exploitable failure mode. I know because I've seen it happen. -
Bob Mottram (bob)'s status on Monday, 09-Oct-2017 07:51:21 UTC Bob Mottram @strypey @pnathan once you begin to see beyond the obfuscating power of the money form then the messed up nature of many economic relationships becomes more apparent. -
Bob Mottram (bob)'s status on Monday, 09-Oct-2017 07:57:23 UTC Bob Mottram @strypey @natecull @pnathan @cjd efficiency is another of those distraction words. There are many sorts of efficiency.