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Tent and pumpio are both kind of failed projects that still have good ideas worth salvaging, IMO. Though pumpio might be coming around which is nice.
- Bob Mottram repeated this.
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@hyper They shot themselves in the foot taking identi.ca the way they did and forcibly defederating it from the existing OStatus network to try to force adoption of the new standard. and it hasn't recovered from the negative reaction, to this day.
Kind of like Mastodon is talking about doing with ActivityPub, really.
We've seen this song and dance before and it's why I've no intention of playing along.
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To be fair, the !StatusNet network that Evan was running became unmanageable -- it cost too much to run, and I think Evan was funding most of it himself (although there were/are a number of paying #StatusNet customers). Evan developed #PumpIO to reduce the number of servers needed to run a federated network, and purposely kept the UI to a minimum to encourage federation. Sadly, that didn't work. Porting identi.ca from StatusNet to PumpIO was intended to introduce people to PumpIO as well as reduce Evan's costs. That partly worked; identi.ca is alive and well as a community, although much reduced from its glory days around 2013. But the #bifurcation did spawn a large number of new StatusNet / !GNUsocial instances, so that was a good thing too. But you're right in that PumpIO never gained widespread traction, the proof of which is in its lack of continued development. In that respect #GNUsocial and !OStatus are more successful than PumpIO
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@bobjonkman He apparently still has the same problems given the deaths of many pumpio nodes due to lack of finances.
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@maiyannah @bobjonkman how federated is your network if you fund EVERY node?
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@maiyannah @bobjonkman I think pumpio didn't get traction mainly because the minimum viable product wasn't quite viable enough, combined with abandonment. In the early development of !Freedombone I tried it and had various problems. The recommended database was redis, and that turned out to be a mistake. At the time getting nodejs onto Debian was a bit of a pain. Then there was the unusable web interface, and there were also issues with native clients. I gave it quite a long test, but eventually gave up. It didn't look like the problems were going to get fixed and GNU Social was easier to install and more usable.
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@bob @bobjonkman There is a new #Pump.io maintainer, who is fairly active. But most of Pump's other issues remain, and are worsened by most instances being out of service for >1 year (microca.st's domain is now held by a squatter).
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@clacke @hyper No, it loses its users to it's authorarian regime and the fact that most of them lose interest within 24 hours and fuck off back to Twitter.
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@clacke @hyper People interjecting into discussions others are having don't get to dictate what they're about, just so you know.
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@clacke @hyper No, they get to fuck off.
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